Curse

Sekkira · Aug 26, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Now Catha is more exciting. How about bringing Charge! ? Or other fast dmg dealers ( warriors ).

Fixed.

Oh and playing a mesmer going for Legendary Survivor, I'm always aiming for masters to squeeze out every last bit of exp. I have no trouble getting into those groups.

moko · Aug 26, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

faction master rewards sure are a challenge, but prophecies bonus' were more fun.

i have a slow net, meaning i mostly load around a min or something around that longer than the others, meaning they will want to wait for one of their monks to load before starting - this did cost me some master rewards at some point, and im feeling kinda dumb that im the reason the team failed. ;(

with the time system, it depends on way too much luck in my opinion. for example, when i did the temple for my last master reward, and our ritual lord set spirits, and suddenly togo was stuck in them.

then there is the BIG problem of one going afk, or getting err 7'd resulting in the team falling apart. one goes, one follows, next one, and so on. in proph, you could do most of these with pretty much half the team missing, took some time and skills but it was still possible.

another thing in factions...

master teams:

War
War
MM
SS
Monk
Monk
Ele
Ele

space for anything else? not really. assasins are totally NOT wanted (which i really dont understand, i always love to take one considering they know what to do), rits..maybe if they are a rit lord and the mission lacks of monks (well, except eternal and gyala, very welcomed there), rangers..meh, can be better, maybe put them for one ele, or as trapper at gyala/eternal. mesmer? omgwtfbbq never -.-. i DID enjoy playing without MM EVERY SINGLE time in proph, even having a mes now and then, which is too rare already anyways!

the timer forced people to be even lamer. of course, you could just get a guild team, but looking at it.

my guild when only proph was out = everyone was helping everywhere
my guild when factions came out = nobody was helping, everyone was strongly denying master rewards.

i got my prot of cantha two days ago, and was forced to use those lame groups for 9/13 missions (not vizunah, henchies ftw, raisu, as i was helping guildies and a random pug, we still managed it, without mm, without ss, without a nuker, just because i was rushing and evading every possible thing lol

, zen daijun, and minister chos - self explonotary). its really depressing and was stressing and annoying me out more than any other thing in gw. chances for actually balanced groups? nope, wasnt even a slight chance for it.

short summary:

challenging? - yes
less fun and more annoying? - yes

>.>

Andisa Kalorn · Aug 26, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Prophecies bonus: more content to explore... often just trying to figure them out on my own was half the fun. Bonuses could be done on just about any characters, with henchies.

Canthan bonus: no new content. Just doing the same thing over and over until you get the bonus. When you have many characters and have already done the missions many times... this does not seem like fun. And yes, I hate timed missions. Masters groups seem to always want a MM... making things even more boring and repetitive.

All of which is why I never tried to get the Canthan title. I have better things to do.

pve-er · Aug 26, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

faction master rewards sure are a challenge, but prophecies bonus' were more fun.

another thing in factions...

master teams:
War
War
MM
SS
Monk
Monk
Ele
Ele

space for anything else? not really. assasins are totally NOT wanted (which i really dont understand, i always love to take one considering they know what to do), rits..maybe if they are a rit lord and the mission lacks of monks (well, except eternal and gyala, very welcomed there), rangers..meh, can be better, maybe put them for one ele, or as trapper at gyala/eternal. mesmer? omgwtfbbq never -.-. i DID enjoy playing without MM EVERY SINGLE time in proph, even having a mes now and then, which is too rare already anyways!

the timer forced people to be even lamer. of course, you could just get a guild team, but looking at it.

short summary:

challenging? - yes
less fun and more annoying? - yes

>.>

I was very lucky then, My Assassin is the only my Char got Protector of Cantha Title. Assassin isn't completely useless in a master group. but it need an Assassin that its skillfulness are beyond the skillfulness of other member of a master group.

The hate of Assasssin still plaque Cantha more then Afflicted disease lol. however, because of these hate, people have little expectation of assassin. they consider you good if you don't die 1 more times then their tank and not at the backline being a leacher. people are happy to continue the game with you.

personally I think ANet should rethink which mission should have bonus and other that can be a time attack. mission like VIzunah Square is totally inappropriate for having time attack as master reward simply because there is no way someone can choose the other side. regardless how good your team are, if the other side screwed, you screwed too. this is totally unfair for those who seek the title.

Russell.Crowe · Aug 27, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Do you realize you have the choice of whether or not to get masters? If you don't want to build a group capable of doing it, then don't expect to get it. Period.

LadySDevil · Aug 27, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

I find that the timed missions are a case of 6 of one half a dozen of the other sort of thing.

I play a monk, which is hard to do when people want to rush and there is no time to regen energy. However, I found that a great number of players seems to play much smarter, and far fewer near wipes have been had in the Cantha missions. You would think, that having more time would make players use that time wisely and not make them so careless. I have found the opposite to be true though.

I have found that because of the timers on the missions, while people hurry through them, they tend to be far more careful because they can't afford the time a near total party wipe would cost them in getting the mission done.

While I liked the old style missions and bonuses, some of them could take a great deal of time to complete, especially with a bad party. At the same time, I never liked the feeling of being rushed which is something that I sometimes feel in factions.

However, since I never get to see much more than everyone's little red health bar, I can't say that I'm missing out by having the missions move faster.

It's a tough call really, but I can say it's been interesting overall. It would be nice to see Nightfall do a little of all the types of missions.

Sekkira · Aug 27, 2006, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Going through Cantha is awesome for a monk. I've never had a more enjoyable experiance. Prophecies was a yawn fest. Kill one group, wait for everyone to regen, carefully pull another, repeat. You don't have that time in Cantha, it's rush rush rush, watch your energy, keep your team alive. Charge into that amazingly large group and come out on top, not even taking time to victory dance on their corpses before charging into the next.

It's what monking should be like. None of the garbage pulling carefully, spam every healing spell you have on everyone and hope to god they kill before your energy runs out or that necro has blood ritual/BiP.

bungusmaximus · Aug 29, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

The OP said it: All prophecies required was a tank and a monk. Gee Gee tactics.

Now Catha is more exciting. How about bringing Charge! ? Or other fast dmg dealers ( assassins ). Involves more tactics IMO.

Prophecies PvE = Turn-based strategy game à la Advance Wars.

Cantha = C&C

Try bringing an assassin in Tahnnakai Temple and you will certainly get disappointed. Assassin + afflicted soul explosion = floor pizza. Anyways, these guys drive every monk crazy

CorstedPirate · Aug 29, 2006, 06:28 AM // 06:28

The only thing that I hate about the timed missions is it means that more people will lie to get the profession they are looking for. They will say they are going for masters. They will say everything they can to get you to come along. With the bonuses people could just be pricks and change their minds part way through. More often than not the reminder they said they were doing bonus and you'll leave if not gets them to cut it out.

My guild generally goes with nuker or mesmer when we are in need of a caster pickup. Seems like a lot of pickup nukers use firestorm, even after asking them about it before starting. Just a couple days ago we managed to find a W/E that was using firestorm. They kept doing it after explaining to them the many reasons not to, grrr. Was glad when they left.

samifly · Aug 29, 2006, 07:58 AM // 07:58

I think both are good but diffrent. I like the mission/bonus thing because its clear cut what you need to do. But I always thought it was stupid waiting around for people to regen, wasting time, because they couldnt be bothered to bring e-mangement. Plus masters doesnt have "bonus only leavers"

unless they have a stopwatch with them, but then they have other problems.

bungusmaximus · Aug 29, 2006, 10:16 AM // 10:16

I love the timed missions, even though I had to do some of them (raisu palace, tahnnakai temple) about 10 times before I beat them. I agree with people that some builds are excluded from the start though. I pity every assassin trying to get 'Protector of Cantha' because they never find a decent group (That's why I'm inclined to take them into a group now and then only to see most of them wiped away directly). For me as a monk it's generally big fun, because I really have to watch my energy bar (mesmer secondary FTW!). I like the Canthan bonus missions as well but ppl always seem to have arguments on wether to do the bonus or not, and therefore leavers are quite common. I had to beat all Ring of Fire missions with 6 players and me being the only monk *sigh*

Tetris L · Aug 29, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Generally I like the idea of the more flexible reward system in Factions compared to the bonus system in Prophecies. But I agree that time isn't the best criterion in many cases. I really like Gyala Hatchery and Eternal Grove for the fact that they use a different criterion. That's the way to go!

bungusmaximus · Aug 29, 2006, 10:28 AM // 10:28

which reminds me, is there anyone who beat the hatchery mission without using the backdoor? And if they did, HOW?

Tyggen · Aug 29, 2006, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

which reminds me, is there anyone who beat the hatchery mission without using the backdoor? And if they did, HOW?

Any half decent team should be plenty able to do this if their monks are good and the warriors know the spawns. I completed with masters going the normal way, think we had two warriors (who place canisters where they advance), two monks (one spams heal area on the turtles, other heals the rest), a ranger, a MM (who stays at the turtles), a nuker and I can't quite remember the last.. Anything would suffice in the last slot except for a third monk (need more damage, not more healing).

The turtles were only attacked twice, and it wasn't too serious. I could put more effort into healing minions then healing turtles.

To the OP; timed missions suck, bonus only leavers suck. More missions like Gyala please (even if I hate doing it

)

Tetris L · Aug 29, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

which reminds me, is there anyone who beat the hatchery mission without using the backdoor? And if they did, HOW?

I've done it, master's reward, the standard way (no "backdoor"), with a PUG even, not a guild group. We were a bit lucky, but we made it.

Gyala Hatchery is easy to beat in standard reward. It is hard to beat on master's reward, but not impossible. And after all, masters reward is SUPPOSED to be a bit of a challenge, isn't it? If it was easy it wouldn't deserve the name.

Count to Potato · Aug 29, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Im pretty sure Gyala is only Masterable if you keep the five turtles alive, so it isnt always the time limit

2ndName · Aug 29, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

I myself dislike being timed, however, you do not fail the mission in Cantha if you take your time. Having it being timed for Masters is fine IMO. People just need to relax and just play. If you want Masters, setup a Masters group and breeze pass the mission. If you want to take your time, mention that in the group. Just communicate and team up with the right people.

Carinae · Aug 29, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I think timed missions is a better solution than many (but not all) Bonuses in Prophecies. Face it, many of the Bonuses were just 'go here, kill that, come back'.

Timed missions aren't perfect, but yea, they seperate the men from the boys. More goal oriented missions like EG and Gyala would be nice however.

Mustache Mayhem · Aug 29, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Wrong. People I've seen try for masters sometimes don't have the faintest clue and if the monks and the team are good they get CARRIED through instead of gaining player skill.

You only need 5/8 for the missions, really.

hehe that's so true.. alot of guys get carried by one or 2 good players- I really liked factions though.. especially early on before they adjusted the henches and made things easy- only people with some skill were at the end game areas.. was nice for while

Enix · Aug 29, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Mokone

master teams:

War
War
MM
SS
Monk
Monk
Ele
Ele

I have never seen a situation where 2 Tanks drastically benifited a mission team over one with all my chars and protector titles. 1 Tank is nice to shake aggro off onto and protect casters, but two is just unnessisary (considering most wars dont understand the art of the tank).

So Masters group:
1 War
MM- Yes, MM's are almost essencial to mastery
2 Monks, or a Monk and Spirit Spam Rit (got Mastery on my Rit this way on half the missions).
4 Other "Damage Dealers" ~ 2 Eles are nice, but Barrage rangers, Mesmers, even the occasional Sin (they are actually good IN ONLY THE LAST TWO MISSIONS IN CANTHA)

Masters is only difficult if your team aggros unnessiary targets and wastes time. The only thing that makes Hench teams hard to get mastery with 100% of the time is that they attack what YOU attack, so aggro mainainance is difficult at times.